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Qualified teachers' pay scales

Career | Published 8 October, 2012 | By: gailrobinson

Check how much you’re worth on the pay scale

All teacher pay scales in full

(Unchanged from 2010)

Classroom teachers start on the main pay scale, usually on point M1 although other teaching experience may push them higher up the scale. Schools may also award discretionary points for other relevant experience. Each school’s pay policy should explain how these points are awarded.

Teachers are awarded a pay rise when the pay scales and allowances are updated. Each September, teachers on the main pay scale move to the next point on the scale, subject to satisfactory performance, and may even advance by two points if their performance is excellent.

Qualified teachers who reach the top of the main pay scale can apply to be assessed against eight national standards and if they meet the standards, cross the ‘threshold’ to the upper pay scale. The threshold provides an opportunity for good classroom teachers to progress from M6 to a higher salary range.

Teachers on the upper pay scale receive the usual salary rise when the pay scales are up-rated. However, progression on the upper pay scale is performance based and governing bodies make the decisions on progression, based on recommendations from heads. Teachers don’t normally move through the upper pay scale more frequently than every two years.

The ATL union has produced a PDF factsheet about threshold and upper pay scale progression, with answers to many common queries on when and how to apply.

Classroom teachers may also be eligible for other payments including Teaching and Learning Responsibilities (TLR) payments and special needs allowances.

TEACHERS’ PAY

 
Scale pointAnnual salary England and Wales excluding  London
(band D)
Annual salary inner London area
(band A)
Annual salary outer London area
(band B)
Annual salary Fringe area
(band C)
 ££££
121,58827,00025,11722,626
223,29528,40826,67424,331
325,16829,88928,32526,203
427,10431,44630,08028,146
529,24033,86532,63030,278
631,55236,38735,11632,588

Source: School Teachers’ Review Body

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  • Do salaries vary for lecturers in FE Colleges?

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    18:00
    8 January, 2009

    manjup1

  • If I was being paid an M6 at a previous job / does the Borough - or moving boroughs mean this can change as I am now being paid as an M3 - below what was suggested in interview and HUGE difficulties to rectify this - in this climate what are my choices? G

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    20:16
    1 February, 2009

    ge0rge

  • Changing Bourogh should not affect your pay. You need to get a letter from your Bourogh to prove that you were on M6, (find out the person who deals with your school, and get in touch with that person) once you have your letter send it to the Borough you currently work for. Good luck.

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    19:08
    10 February, 2009

    alpa

  • When will 2009-2010 pay scales be announced?

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    17:58
    9 May, 2009

    benjaminjames

  • I wonder if someone can please help me? I am just finishing my NQT year off through supply, and hoping to find a permanent job for september, and i also have a years supply teaching behind me. What pay scale would i be on? I take it an NQT would be pay scale M1, so would i move to M2? And what would I be on if i took on a co-ordinator job on too or is that just part of M2? Please help, from a very confused NQT :) LH

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    21:45
    11 May, 2009

    LesleyH26

  • You should automatically move up the main payscale each academic year i.e. to M2. Extra responsibilities are usually paid on top of your main pay in the form of TLRs which have varying amounts. I suggest that you familiarise yourself with their amounts and ensure you know the demands before agreeing to take on any responsibilities. Good luck

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    12:12
    12 May, 2009

    spicescience

  • Thankyou very much for your advice. Someone also informed me I would move onto M2 but i may be able to ask for M3 if i take on co-ordinators role and because i have been qualified since june 2006, and done Supply, so I am more experienced than someone who normally would have just finished their NQT year??? Not sure how that works though.

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    15:01
    12 May, 2009

    LesleyH26

  • I'm a qualified teacher (post compulasary ed) with a job title as Instructor, based at a satellite site away from main campus, teaching LLDD learners, completely different pay spine from main site staff, and no way of progressing any further up the pay scale as they have no "Boxes" for qualified teaching staff to move into - is this the norm with all FE colleges?

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    17:08
    16 May, 2009

    Ru Barb

  • A colleague's question above hasn't been responded as yet regarding the announcement of our pay for the new academic year ('09-'10). Why is there such a delay? Is it true we are only going to be awarded with a 2.3% pay rise?Is that the reason why it has taken to whomever responsible so long to reveal those figures?
    Many thanks, Chris

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    15:21
    2 June, 2009

    chris_stavrou

  • I am a GTP student and have been offered a job at my placement school. I have full responsability for my full time table of classes. Should I therefore start on the payscale at M2 rather than M1 beings I have a full one year experience at this school? Many thanksJohn

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    17:34
    3 June, 2009

    jnw2009

  • I'm an Australian trained teacher looking for permanent work in the UK. This will be my 4th year of teaching. What rate of pay will i start on?
    Thanks Michelle

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    11:22
    15 June, 2009

    meshellie

  • I have been made redundant after 10 years teaching. All the jobs I have had interviews for, have gone to NQT's, presumably because they are cheaper. What would the procedure be to inform a headteacher and the school governors that I am prepared to start on a lower pay scale to be able to continue teaching. Not something I want to do, but I am the breadwinner in my family and am desperate now.

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    22:42
    29 June, 2009

    antheaj

  • For the EU qualified teachers - does this scale start from the year you have got your QTS from the GTC for England or do the years of teaching in EU count? e.g.Qualified June 2003,but QTS in Dec 2005Do years of day2day supply teaching for agencies count as well?I am keen to find out!

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    16:38
    8 July, 2009

    janca.ol

  • jnw2009, no you will start on M1. Even though you have had a full time table of classes this was your training year not a qualified teaching year. You were contracted and paid as an unqualified teacher and therefore will be paid on M1 as an NQT when you begin work. Sorry! Hope this helps.

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    19:11
    8 July, 2009

    klwgirl

  • Extra money for subject leader.....I wish!
    Just part and parcel of our school without any extra cash for the pleasure.

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    17:45
    10 July, 2009

    pinkflipflop

  • I have been working as an EMTAS teacher/cordinator since 1987
    now new head teacher is trying to get rid of me asking me to resign NUT asked me to resign because powewrs are given to head teacher

    my life is going to be difficult
    pl help

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    11:22
    12 July, 2009

    taru0354

  • jnw2009:

    No reason you should start on M1 if you can offer extra qualifications or experience. With a second degree, try for M3 or M4, especially if you teach a "shortage" subject such as Maths.

    Likewise, you can (exceptionally) progress at more than one point per year.


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    21:57
    14 July, 2009

    MathsBR

  • I am not sure if I am being paid the correct wage. I have TLR on my payslip and am on M4. I am now head of department and have been teaching for 4 years. Can anyone help?

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    13:02
    17 July, 2009

    raven30

  • I wonder if someone can help?

    I have completed my NQT year on M1 and have taken a year out to teach in Oz. now i'm back will i go straight on to M2?

    Also if you do a years supply, does this stop you progressing up the pay scale?

    Hope someone can put me straight?

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    20:01
    23 July, 2009

    cazd23

  • I have been working for 5 years as unqualified teacher and have now qualified. What paypoint should I expect to be put on? I was on point 3 on the 'new 6 point unqualified scale' and received extra allowances. I am hoping for M4 but we have broken up for the summer without the school bothering to sort out my pay despite asking several times.

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    18:59
    27 July, 2009

    sonicstage

  • In paragraph 2 above it says that excellent teachers can advance 2 points up the pay scale. Does anybody know how I go about applying for this.

    Would it be a letter to the head and governers stating why I think I should move up or is there an application form?

    By the way I am due to go to M5 this september.

    Thanks in advance.

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    12:39
    1 August, 2009

    bluebaton

  • Hi,
    could someone help with this one?
    i have just qualified on QTS and was offered a job at my placement. when i signed the contract the pay was the old 2008 M1 scale. when i start in septemeber and assuming the pay rise stands, will get this automatically, even though i signed at the old rate?
    thanks

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    21:04
    3 August, 2009

    traceywithane

  • I also am in a similar situation as traceywithane above - I have signed my contract at last years payrate - do I automatically get the 2009 rate when I start in September?Thanks

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    21:56
    3 August, 2009

    dmthroup

  • Hi dmthroup
    i just found the answer to the question

    ' If you're in a state school - which I assume you are - you will receive the 'new' salary. It's just standard practice to tell you the 'current' rate in the contract.'

    was posted in a different forum answering the same question about pay and rises. i assume it also applies to us.
    have a nice holiday
    T

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    15:34
    4 August, 2009

    traceywithane

  • Hi
    Can someone please help!!
    I am a qualified teacher, who is will be starting my 4th year when I return in september. My school is in the process of amalgamating and we have a new head who started in July as a designated head and is due to start officially in September. I have just been given a permanent contract which is what I hoped for but the contract I received in the post from my borough (Saturday Morning) states that I will still be on M3 (which is what I am on now!) not M4 and the pay will remain the same as what I am on now, not the new 2009 M3 wage. Is this right? Can a new head who has not seen you perform keep you on the same pay scale for another year? Furthermore. Can it be at the previous years salary even though that payscale has increased for 2009. I don't know what to do as I don't want to rock the boat as a few people have not had their contracts renewed!! I'm really praying that it is an admin error with the borough. Where do I start???
    Please advise - Thanks!!

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    12:30
    9 August, 2009

    cj1smith

  • Hi

    I am an NQT who has recently started at an academy in June, I was placed on M2 although I did not get a chance to negotiate my salary. I was informed that my M2 salary will commnece as of 1st September 2009 and until then I have been placed on UQT M4. I have a Masters degree in my trained subject (RE) and I have also taught 1 year as an unqualified teacher. I also have 1 year experience as a youth project co-ordinator. I would like to negotiate my salary to M3 as I was informed with my Masters it is common practice. Is it too late for me to negotiate?

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    21:41
    11 August, 2009

    ness adjei

  • Hi there, i'm just starting out life as a NQT in worcestershire, and i'll be on m1. However they've told me that my salary will be 20,600, and I noticed on your table above it states that the salary scale from september 2009 (when I start) should be on 21,102. Should I approach them about this?

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    17:08
    15 August, 2009

    cmiller22

  • As above with cmiller22, i am a nqt and will be on m1. my contract states my salary will be 20,600 too. Will this automatically be changed at our LEA wage dpmt?

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    10:11
    21 August, 2009

    SJH0604

  • Hi All

    I have moved from secondary to fe and took on a leadership role, however the college have said because I had not gone through threshold I do not get the full L1 pay for a 12 month probationary? is that correct?

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    13:52
    23 August, 2009

    lion782

  • Hi, I am just about to start my NQT year and I was just wondering..is the pay scale pre- having tax deducted or not??

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    15:38
    25 August, 2009

    Pocathomas

  • can anyone tell me how I know if the school I am going to in sept qualifys me for london fringe???

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    8:53
    28 August, 2009

    emmam25

  • how do I claim a point? I have recetly been asked to head of sixth form art with no extra point and also another resposibilty with no extra money...surely i can claim evidence to gain a point

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    16:14
    28 August, 2009

    raegannewc

  • Hi, I'm just about to start my nqt year on m1. I am a qualified solicitor and changed professions, would I be able to request to start on m2? Please help, many thanks

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    12:08
    30 August, 2009

    rkba

  • I qualified 2 years ago and Im just about to start my 3rd year of teaching. I compleated my NQT year over a year and a term due to my contracted hours and was paid on M1 for all of last year even though this was my 2nd yr of teaching. I presumed this was because I was still an NQT when I started and would recieve back pay to when I fully qualified this year. No one in work seems able to tell me if this is correct! Also, if you move up a point each academic year then sould I be on M3 this year? Any help would be great thanks.

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    21:11
    1 September, 2009

    laurajharris

  • Reply to Laura above.

    I completed my NQT year over a year and a term also. For the last term of my 1 st year I was not class based but covered PPA so moved around. My NQT year was extended because of this! I finished at the school in July and did supply until the xmas on M2 as it was my 2nd year teaching. I started at a school in the January and completed my NQT 4th term and I was on M2. So every year I have taught I have moved up the payscale automatically. I am starting my 4th year teaching and I am on M4 regardless of my extended NQT year.

    Basically Laura I think you shoul now be starting on M3 as it is your 3rd year of teaching! You should speak to your headteacher about this and if they cannot help speak to someone at your payrole office. They MIGHT be able to point you in the right direction.

    Good luck!!

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    16:40
    4 September, 2009

    m bop

  • I have been teaching for 10 years and I have been on M6 for the past 4 years. It's entirely my fault that I didn't apply to move up to upper pay scale at my last post, no good reason, just didn't get round to it. If I now apply, can I start at the top end of the upper pay scale which is where I would be had I done the paper work? Is it the schools discretion?

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    16:53
    13 September, 2009

    lats

  • Re: laurajharris
    I have been ina similar situation having taken up a post PGCE place in Canada teaching on a university programme. When I returned I did supply from Feb of that year and as a result my pay is up for review every february. Having only done temporary 1 year average posts I am perhaps not able to fully answer your post but I think you are owed and should defo check with payrol. I think it doesn't matter when in the year you start your teaching career you still are eligible to move up. Hope this helps, it has always been the way wherever I have worked!!
    Good luck!!

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    23:12
    15 September, 2009

    debskapick

  • I am a qualified teacher who was on M3 in a state school before july 2007. i then left and worked full time on a very low wage in a private school for two years .am i ok to consider myself as eligible for m6 if i now return to a state school job (september 2009)?

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    14:09
    23 September, 2009

    samera_79

  • I have a tricky situation at work. I am an NQT starting on M1 this year. Another NQT is starting on M2. I have been told that this was a mistake, but work is honouring it. I feel this unfair but do not know where I stand legally. I have not yet signed a contract. Does anyone have any advice?

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    13:58
    4 October, 2009

    dazed1

  • I was in the same situation. My colleague, a science teacher started at M3. Don't bother to complain. Understandably, some departments have serious shortage and high pay scale is one way of recruiting

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    18:57
    3 November, 2009

    kwanjara

  • Wondering if anyone can help. I start my NQT year in January. Will I therefore move onto the M2 scale in Sep 2010, even though I will have 1 term of my NQT year left, or will I have to wait until the following Sep (2011), as I

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    16:18
    6 November, 2009

    njakers21

  • I taught for 3 years at a private school after qualifying. I left for 10 years to have my family. I have been doing very casual supply teaching for the past 3 years. If I took up a full time job where would I be on the pay scale? I am very confused!

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    21:45
    18 November, 2009

    chicken775

  • I have just returned to the UK after teaching in the Caribbean for the past 4 and half years. I held the position as Head of Year 6 and had to manage 4 classes of Year 6 students.
    Where would i be on the payscale and how can i sell myself further up the pay spine.

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    11:27
    23 November, 2009

    Dynamic Teacher

  • I started my NQT year in March 2007, I was paid on the M1 scale for a full year and 6 months until September 2008. I had thought my wages would increase in September 2007 but this was not the case. I was disappointed, as primary school teaching was my second career and I had experience of teaching abroad and supply teaching in the UK since I qualified in 2004. None of this helped me to move up the scale points any quicker. Also I am the co-ordinator of 2 subjects and receive no extra pay for this. After speaking to my union and other teachers I believe this is common place. PS I also have a younger colleague who started at the same time as me and was mistakenly paid a scale point higher at the beginning. Very frustrating!

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    18:18
    8 December, 2009

    Daisy17

  • I am currently an unqualified teacher but have progressed to point 3 since starting my post at a sixth form college. I will qualify next year in July and be an NQT, what point should I expect to be on as a qualified teacher? Should I expect point 4 providing I meet expectations or point 1?

    Please help

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    13:47
    10 December, 2009

    worldofdelight

  • I have been qualified for 3 years and have been working on supply. Each year I have been put up a pay scale so I am currently on m4 although I am still an NQT. I have completed 1 term of my induction. I have just been offered a permamant position in a different county and when I told the head I was currently on m4 he seemed shocked that I could be on m4 while still a NQT. Does he have to match my current wage or can they put me down to m1?

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    21:03
    17 December, 2009

    Rhi84

  • I reached QTS in July 2007, then moved abroad, where (after teaching for a year year as a volunteer) I began teaching part-time in a Secondary Grammar school (EFL & English Lit / Grammar) with a mixture of native and non-native English speakers. In addition I teach groups of adults for NAMA (NATO Airlift Management Agency). I will be finishing my time abroad this summer and would like any advice and/or information about where I can expect to find myself on the pay scale when I return to the UK.

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    15:27
    5 January, 2010

    sarahjhaynes

  • I have a masters and I was wondering what the leverage for negotiating starting on a higher point than M1 would be once I qualify in July.

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    18:28
    13 January, 2010

    vivavoice

  • to the person who asked if the pay scale is "pre-having tax deducted" you need to go back to college as you are not ready for the real world. OF COURSE IT IS!! It is called your gross wage. Once tax etc has been taken off it is called net wagw. This is basic stuff. You're in for a shock if you think that the gross is what you get...

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    22:09
    22 January, 2010

    Mary Smith

  • I am NQT and working on MS1 but have 3 yearsof experience as OTT teacher in UK, still on MS1 can anyone suggest something what i need to do if i need to moVe to higher scale.and is this right to discuss this in the middle of year or shall i wait for sept 2010!

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    22:38
    27 January, 2010

    G J

  • To Mary Smith,
    There is no need to be so rude. Some peple just have no idea about the pay scales etc...a simple answer could have been, " no unfortunately this figure is before tax has been taken out!" See, answer given and no rudeness!

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    12:48
    23 February, 2010

    ani84

  • Can anyone please help. I'm halfway through my PGCE. I've had a total career change as I worked for a Pharma Company for 14 years but due to 'downsizing' I decided to take my redundnacy and go into teaching. I have a BSc and MSc, I'm also a qualified Chartered Chemist and Chartered Scientist. Can anyone please tell me what pay scale I should aim for when I begin my NQT. I;'e been told due to my chosen subject, my qualifications and experience I should ask for at least MS3 - do you agree with this? Don't want to make a fool of myself asking for something out of reach. Thanks in advance.

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    18:32
    26 February, 2010

    tiredmumof2

  • The best place to ask questions about pay is on the TES Pay forum:
    http://community.tes.co.uk/forums/33.aspx

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    13:25
    20 March, 2010

    tafkam

  • I did QTS in 2007. I am an Overseas Trained Teacher. I read somewhere I dont need to do NQT. I already taught 11 years in India.

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    20:30
    20 March, 2010

    brajesh

  • I have just returned to teaching in the UK after 4 years working in a British International School. My contract has come through from the local council putting me on pay scale 3, which is what I was about to go onto when I left the UK. I should be on pay scale 6 - I expected to take a drop due to working abroad, but didn't expect this much. My husband, who worked abroad with me, has a new position and gone in straight on pay scale 6.
    Do I query this with the school or the council? Do you think I am able to negotiate with them? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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    13:28
    10 April, 2010

    bmc81

  • I am currently on UP1 and applying for UP2,
    I head the Foundation English Dept in secondary school, but do not get any extra TLR payments, let alone a SEN payment.
    (all of the other staff e.g. head of maths etc.. get a TLR) I have been told I will not receive a TLR, even though I have written the MTPs for the entire school let alone just my department.
    Does anybody have any ideas if I have a case to receive a TLR and if I do how I go about this, or who I should talk to?

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    12:14
    13 April, 2010

    the mad scientist

  • I am a OTT from the US. I am currently getting my qualifications here in England and am currently in my third year teaching as an unqualified teacher. I had 11 years experience in the states with a Master's Degree in Education. That qualification has been recognised by NARIC as equivalent to a Master's Degree here. Should I be starting next year on an M1 or does my education and relevant experience count toward any points on the scale?

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    17:28
    21 April, 2010

    77pippen

  • Hi
    Please help. I qualified from my PGCE July 2009 and have been doing some day to day supply work (independantly, not through an agency). Does anyone know how my pay should be calculated??

    The teachers pay document says it should be pro-rata of my pay scale, which would be £21,102 /195 (number of days taught in a year) / 5 (hours in a day) = £21.64. But I have just got my wage slip and the local authority are paying my £16. This can't be right can it??

    Any help would be greatly appreciated
    Thank you

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    14:10
    28 April, 2010

    WelshJessiB

  • Hi, (Help needed on TAX CODE!!!)

    I am currently an NQT coming to the end of my first year of teaching. I am working in Berkshire so I'm on the fringe area on the pay scale. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what tax code I should be on as it has changed 3 times in the last few months on my pay slip! I feel I am paying too much Income Tax. I have a friend working as an NQT who told me how much she is being taxed and it is different to mine? we both started of the same time and both don't have any extra responsibilites...can anyone shed any light??

    Any support would be greatly appreciated guys!
    Thank you :)

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    19:03
    5 May, 2010

    Marifah

  • Hi, please can you help to shine some light onto my situation?

    I have just finished my NQT induction period (In Feb 2010) and have been told that my salary won't increase until Sept....is this right?
    I have a friend who is also a teacher and upon the completion of her NQT period in April last year, received her increased salary as of May, the following month.
    I appreciate your comments!
    Cheers!

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    20:49
    5 May, 2010

    normoss

  • I have been invited to apply for the role of 'lead teacher', supporting Literacy at a number of loacl schools, but on extra pay is offered. I have just applied to go onto UP1 for my teaching and also responsibilities I am already undertaking. The 'lead teacher' role is a separate issue. Has anyone else had this role and did they receive any payment for it?

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    18:48
    21 May, 2010

    pigh

  • I have been offeed a position starting in June in a new school on M5, my querry is will I be on M5 for the new academic year starting in September or will i be placed on M6 automatically?

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    23:06
    21 May, 2010

    anelsona

  • Hi
    I have been working part time (only one afternoon a week) at a school as PPA cover and the odd supply here and there for a year. The school has now offered me maternity over full time for a year in which I can complete my NQT year. I was just wondering whether I would stay on M1 or move to M2 when my new contract starts? and how I would go about ensuring this if that is the case. Any insight greatly appreciated.

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    17:02
    29 May, 2010

    sparkle_gremlin

  • I am currently teaching at an international school and am in my 6th year of teaching. If I came back to the UK, how long would it be before I could go for threshold?

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    14:48
    4 June, 2010

    whitbye

  • are school under any obligation to award TLR points for co-ordinators (SENCo)

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    17:09
    12 June, 2010

    srycroft

  • In a tricky situation. I am currrently on M6 and have applied to go through threshold, however I will be starting at a new school (new council) in Sept. Will I still be eligible to go through threshold? Also, I put my application into the head at my current school 6 weeks ago and have been told it will not be assessed until Oct (by which time I will have moved schools). Don't want to puch my current head (as she is the one who decides whether I go through or not) but not sure if I can apply through my new school. Any advice?

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    22:38
    18 June, 2010

    slcrighton

  • Does anybody know if this pay scale is definite? Is the freeze not affecting the pay scale this year?

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    10:25
    22 July, 2010

    kitikat83

  • I dont know if any of you can help - I have just finished my NQT year (a one year contract starting september 2009). When will my final pay day be?
    Thanks

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    11:21
    23 July, 2010

    joannap1

  • Even the president seems to be interested in teachers' salary - [url=http://www.tubehome.com/watch/barack-obama-on-merit-pay-for-teachers] barack-obama-on-merit-pay-for-teachers[/url] . As far as I know, teaching is very difficult and this profession should be well payed, otherwise we are risiking to be left without good teachers ad who knows what will happen to our kids then...

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    9:09
    3 August, 2010

    anneta56

  • <a href=http://www.tubehome.com/watch/barack-obama-on-merit-pay-for-teachers>http://www.tubehome.com/watch/barack-obama-on-merit-pay-for-teachers</a>

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    9:10
    3 August, 2010

    anneta56

  • Hi Im starting my NQT in the North, I passed my pgce teaching ICT however Ive been given my timetable where Ill be teaching Maths and General Studies also including 6th form where I was told id be teaching 11-16 which my pgce had specialised in.

    Are you allowed to request more in your salary teaching subjects Ive never taught before? And where I hold a Masters In Finance (Hence why I feel ive been asked to teach Maths)?

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    12:52
    4 August, 2010

    Jampot85

  • Joannap1, if you take a one year teaching contract, it runs from 1st Sep in one year to 31 Aug in the following year. You normally get paid at the end of each moth so your final pay packet should be at the end of August.

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    11:41
    6 August, 2010

    beechbark

  • Hi There can any one clear something up for me? I am an NQT and will be going into into my second year. Will I be going onto M2 this year? Will it happen automatically or wil i have to apply for the increased pay scale?
    thanks

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    12:10
    6 August, 2010

    s245uag

  • s245uag - yes, you move up automatically.

    The best place to ask questions about pay is on the TES Pay forum:
    http://community.tes.co.uk/forums/33.aspx

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    16:22
    7 August, 2010

    tafkam

  • I was wondering if anyone can help?? I am starting my NQT year in Sept and did my GTP year at my current employment. I'm currently on the 2009 M1 and for my NQT year will be put on the 2010 M1. Is this correct or should I be on M2? Whilst doing my GTP I was employed as a full time teacher and full responsibility for my (full) timetable Any advice would be great! Thanks!

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    15:54
    11 August, 2010

    j.brooks1

  • I am wondering what happens if you have done a year part-time (I have been working 4 days a week). Do you move up to M2 when you complete 195 days (ie one full academic year), which will happen for me sometime in the autumn term 2010? Or do you stay on M1 for that whole academic year? If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them!! :)

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    20:08
    16 August, 2010

    pmg101

  • I am wondering when the first pay day will be for NQT's starting in sep 2010

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    17:35
    17 August, 2010

    dan_thorne

  • I have been teaching for 2 and a half years(half a year supply). I started as an NQT in 2008/9 on M1 and in September I will be on M3. In addition to my PGCE, I have a degree and a Masters degree in subjects which now help me to do my job better. I am also an ICT Coordinator without a TLR. Am I entitled to move up to a higher payscale? Am I qualified long enough to ask for a TLR? I don't want to ask for an increase in pay until I am sure that I am actually in some way entitled to it.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you :)

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    14:13
    18 August, 2010

    nic 27

  • I have recently moved to Leeds from Scotland and I am about to start a full time position. I was told that I would be M1 on the pay scale. Is this the pay of an NQT? I completed my NQT year in Scotland last year and was awarded QTS in July.
    Any help will be greatly appreciated!

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    11:39
    30 August, 2010

    Rhona Craig

  • @ Nicole: Alas, there is no entitlement to going up an increment or getting a TLR, it is completely at the Head's discretion as to whether you can get rewarded for more experience. The only time I heard of it, was when someone had switched from primary to sec teaching so was put in M3 sec to start as they had in effect gone through the primary payscale - and that was a rare case. A friend was given a TLR (Which had been given as a Recruitment and retention incentive) but this again was rare. I guess you can talk to your Head and see what they say... otherwise, keep an eye out for other TLRs coming up in your area :) In my school only UPS people are given core areas, as it is thought it is a lot for someone on MPS to do... I guess it's the luck of the draw.

    @Rhona: M1 is indeed the rate for NQTs :)

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    17:32
    30 August, 2010

    Ella F

  • when i left my full time teaching job i was mp3, ive been doing supply for 2 years. Does that i mean I'm mp5 or still mp3?

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    14:13
    2 September, 2010

    wilbobaggins

  • I'm so confused! This is my fourth year of teaching now. I finished my NQT year officially in October half term 2008. The previous head teacher messed up my application and I received a letter in February 2010 to say congratulations on completing my induction year. I do seem to be paid very little but what should I actually be on? I'm guessing M2 or 3 am I right? Not sure how to sort this mess out!

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    23:09
    25 September, 2010

    carolinerose

  • I started my NQT year in November last year so haven't worked for a full year yet. I was under the impression though that even if you hadn't done a full year, you still moved up from M1 to M2. However, this hasn't happened. Is this right and does this mean I will spend another year on M1 pay? I'm confused!

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    11:14
    28 September, 2010

    lulu8273

  • I am a 50 year old female former modern languages teacher and live in an outer London borough. For past 20 years I have run my own (limited) language consultancy company, then moved into property development in a fairly successful way, but have always been working my own business even whilst bringing up my son. Nonetheless, I have always thought maybe I'd like to return to the teaching profession even as occasional supply teacher, though had only four years' teaching experience when I quit in 1990.
    So could someone let me know: IF I managed to get past hurdle number 1 (interview, though I do have BEd and post-grad qualification too) I am wondering what to expect pay-wise. The above table seems to imply a ceiling of around £35k which does seem low (sorry, I'm used to private sector these days).
    Is this true or could it be more like £45k as a teacher friend of mine has suggested.

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    22:35
    28 September, 2010

    LynseyinLondon

  • Hi I will be starting my NQT year in Sept2011, does anyone know in which month I will receive my first wage? thanks

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    10:02
    29 October, 2010

    loz1989

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    12:33
    1 November, 2010

    Dynamic Teacher

  • I have recently retuned to the Uk after 5 years teaching in the Bahamas as Head of Year 6. This position was a very demanding job and has given me a lot of experience in many areas. I had to oversee 120 pupils, which involved a recent trip to the United States, organising the end of year assessments and undertaking the Year 6 Graduation service.

    I came back to the UK in 2005 and did a few days of Supply teaching. Prior to leaving the UK i taught at a school for 3 years.

    With all my experiences I am a little unsure where i would be on the payscale. I have been applying for those few jobs but nothing at the moment appears to happen. Where have all the jobs gone?
    Your help will be greatly received.

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    12:49
    1 November, 2010

    Dynamic Teacher

  • I have been teaching in FE for nearly 20 years but was made redundant recently. I was offered a post in a school recently but was told that I would start at the bottom of the scale! I have a PGCE and am qualified to teach pupils aged 14 and over. The post I have been offered is in a 6th form so I don't see the need to have me on what would be a reduction of £15,000 in pay.

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    17:58
    1 November, 2010

    lenny59

  • I am a NQT who has been doing short term supply for 2 years, this is my 3rd year. I'm starting a job in January and was wondering what pay scale I should be on? Would it be m1 (as I am a NQT) or m3 because this is my 3rd year teaching?

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    18:53
    2 November, 2010

    jay2603

  • I am a NQT who is just about to start a maternity acting head post. Can i expect anything extra on my payscale due to the acting head of department role?

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    17:47
    18 November, 2010

    seekyronan

  • I am currently working in a outer london school on a maternity contract, my first job (completed pgce last year). I haven't been registered to start induction and have to decide if would like start by January. How would pay be affected if i choose not to start induction this year and wait to secure a permanent contract?

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    22:20
    21 November, 2010

    a551a

  • I have a BScEd, an MSc and a Phd. I will be teaching in a school in Band A (inner London) in the new year. Aside from 18 weeks teaching practise during my training I have no formal experience. What pay rate should I expect?

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    3:01
    24 November, 2010

    Edu11

  • i qualified as a teacher 12 years ago. I did a six month part time supply followed by a further 18 month part time supply at a different school. Four children later I have just finished a 1 day aweek supply (Lasted about 18 months) I am about to start a 1 day a week contract. Does anybody know what pay scale I should be on?
    I started on point 12 years ago
    thank you.

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    18:37
    24 November, 2010

    pillingcrescent

  • Hi! I'm a qualified teacher in Portugal, working at the same school since 1998 (September). I would like to have a teaching experience in London, UK, but need some advice on the subject, specially about the best way to apply for a teaching job and also about salary (how much would I earn on a full-time position? - I teach Science/Biology since September 1998, with no interruptions).

    Thank you for your help!

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    14:12
    5 December, 2010

    biosuta

  • PAY SCALES ARE MEANINGLESS - KNOW AND NEGOTIATE YOUR WORTH!
    Fact is that a school can pay a teacher at whatever scale they see fit so you should negotiate based on your merits as a teacher, not a rigid pay scale that see lesser teachers getting pay parity. SMTs will make up all manner of fictional barriers but they are under no obligation, statutory or otherwise, to pay a person according to sequential progression up any scale. And yes, this goes for threshold too. Oh, and RnR (Recruitment and Retention), this can be worth a few £k at least (I got £6k RnR for each year in my last (and final) position. For example, I moved to a new school in 2002 and negotiatied a from M2 to M5 + £6k RnR - Yes, thats a good hike but considering being grossly undervalued in the previous schools and the value that I added to the new school this was money well spent, hence the RnR continued as did annual progression through the M and threshold scales. Pay for good teachers is poor (36k! What is that for the effort involved?!), this is one reason I have left the profession and contract and consult independently earning almost three times that amount. NEGOTIATE based on your worth and dont hear a word of it from the Head or SMT - if you're as good as you think you are and have evidence to demonstrate this, go for it, and Good Luck!

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    9:38
    13 January, 2011

    Faithgoverner

  • Hi im an NQT and started my teaching contract on the 1st January. Will i be paid at the end of January or will i have to wait until February to be paid. Any answers would help or who to ask. Thanks

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    16:42
    15 January, 2011

    hasim9

  • I am doing PGCE with Primary MFL, does that mean I will go in as NQT plus PMFL co-ordinator so I would go in straight at M2 or does it depend on the school?
    Thanks!

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    13:48
    26 January, 2011

    supjimmy

  • I have a PGCE and PS level from teaching at a sixth form college. I'm now at a school (somewhat masquerading as a SFC but still a school.) I'm finding problems getting through threshold thinking my GCSE maths D is holding me back. I'm on M6, met all my PM targets for the last three years. Am I right in thinking my Professional Standard Payment from when I was teaching 6th form allows me to progress onto Threshold? There's no way out or up the ladder. I'm a good teacher giving my all for the students I feel in limbo. Please help!

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    13:48
    13 February, 2011

    Thoreaumealifeline

  • Do I have to go up to M6 before taking on leadership or upper pay scales or a route where I can earn more? I am currently on M3 and co-ordinate 2 subjects, not English or Maths though

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    21:56
    1 March, 2011

    Teacher Teaching

  • Hi,
    i completed my NQT year last year but in Scotland where the pay scale is different. Now that I am working in England I have been put back to point 1 when if I had completed my NQT year here I would be on point 2. Does anyone have any information or advice about this?
    Thanks
    Gillian

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    16:32
    4 May, 2011

    millian50

  • I have verbally agreed to take up a teaching post. Having now received the contract, I recognise the salary is below my current salary. I am preparing to contact the school and decline the offer. What do you think the outcome will be?

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    13:15
    7 May, 2011

    beautyqueen

  • Does anyone know whether TRL 2.1 is the same as 2b?

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    13:30
    29 May, 2011

    thomasbug

  • I'm starting an NQT in september as an English teacher and I have an MA. Is it normal practice for people with MAs to start on M2, or even M3?

    Thanks

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    7:49
    11 June, 2011

    PhillyB29

  • I was wondering if there is anyone on M3 who works 2 days a week and what their take home salary is. I am at risk of having to leave teaching as I am unsuccessful in finding a job (over 50 applications sent - no interviews).

    I may be able to secure a year long contract at my current school (currently temp term by term) but only for 2 days, unlikely that i can get three out of the school.

    Wondering what my take home is on M3 with the taxable amounts raised I may be ok but does anyone have an actual answer. Thanks

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    17:52
    17 June, 2011

    MissAimeeC

  • I am PGCE student finshing this year still looking for a job and was wondering does the salary change for being 0.6 Fte?

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    9:16
    19 June, 2011

    mrlloyd1

  • Faithgoverner - " I have left the profession and contract and consult independently" - what do you do?

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    14:29
    30 June, 2011

    harriet_fb

  • Anybody know when pay scales for 2011 are released?
    Thanks

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    22:37
    8 July, 2011

    misskoala

  • Silly question that needs an answer: How do I know which scale point I am on? Someone told me to look on my P60, but I can`t find the information anywhere... and I really need to check in case I need to fill in forms to go through the threshold.
    Thanks.

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    21:30
    9 July, 2011

    seeker1

  • Does anyone know if i will receive my M6 pay increase if i am also going to be a TLR 2? Silly question but i wasnt sure!
    Thanks

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    11:36
    16 July, 2011

    shoe

  • Hi I was wondering if anyone has any advice. I have just finished for the holidays and will be starting on m6 in September 2011, am I eligible to apply for threshold or do I have to complete the year first?

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    19:27
    27 July, 2011

    mandip

  • Hi,
    I'm a 51 year old MFL (French) teacher. I qualified as a mature student in 2006 but only achieved my induction in 2009 due to not being able to find full time work only contracts here and there. Since 2009 I've been working on and off as a supply teacher usually with the council, at times an agency.
    Can I still move up the pay scale if i have not taught constantly for the whole year. I am starting a part time maternity cover (6months) again as i just cannot find permanent work and they have asked me to teach Spanish year 7 as well as French. What pay scale should I be on?
    Thanks for any advice :)

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    18:16
    19 August, 2011

    loamiral

  • Hello everyone just wondering if any of you knowledgable people might be able to help me. Ive been teaching for 10 year (4 full time, 5 the odd days of supply and 1 year of regular long term supply) Ive just been offered a regular 2 day a week job but have also just been sent a letter telling me I may be eligible to apply to cross the Threshold. Surely Im not after 6 years of bitty supply. I havent planned properly in 6 years. What do you think. Any suggestions?

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    0:34
    20 August, 2011

    StrongLucy

  • NQTs will generally start on M1, but a jump up the scale can be negotiated, dependent on experience. I've just finished my NQT year as a secondary physics teacher, and I got advanced up the scale on the basis of PhD and postdoctoral experience in my subject area. They offered M3 and I took it. Perhaps could have negotiated M4.

    A colleage with a master's degree and further research experience in her field (chem) managed to renegotiate up to M2 after the start of the year, which was good news.

    In short, nobody is promised anything more than M1; whether you can do better generally depends on you, but, perhaps moreover, on the school

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    18:00
    22 August, 2011

    che.gannarelli

  • I have been teaching supply for the past three years. September I will be doing my induction year; I have signed my contract and it stated that my payment would be m3. Is this correct? Can they change my contract althought I have signed it? I worry that they will say a few months down the line that I have been over payed. Any comments welcomed.

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    21:36
    5 September, 2011

    catrinmali

  • I am going into my final year of training this year, and so will be starting my NQT next academic year (Sept 2012). Do all NQT's start on M1 , or is the salary lower during your NQT year?
    Thanks very much. RS

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    11:48
    7 September, 2011

    RebeccaSnowdon

  • I gained QTS in October 2003 coming into teaching via the Registered Teacher Scheme after taking and passing a Degree in Finance while I taught in a brilliant Primary School - I have since left that school.
    However, I have been stuck at M6 for the last four years as I didn't apply for UPS at my previous school - four years there as PE and School Sport/Residential Visits Co-ordinator and I have not asked at my new school (been there since June 2010) where I am teaching with a Lower SEN allowance as I teach children excluded from mainstream school in a PRU attached to a school. What can I do, if anything to get myself onto UPS?

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    23:07
    7 September, 2011

    Alf Ayed

  • How long after completing M6 do I have to wait before applying for UPS1 ?

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    21:17
    22 September, 2011

    oscullion

  • I think that my pay has gone up to M2 when I should still be on M1!

    I did supply (which doesn't count as it was just the odd day?) for one term, then had my own class full time for 2 terms - and my pay has gone up already! Shouldn't it be going up in January for me? Any response would be really helpful thanks!

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    18:12
    26 September, 2011

    k8te008

  • It sounds as though you should be on M2. You don't have to do a whole year on each point. There is a minimum number of weeks - not sure what the number is but apparently I exceeded it and it sounds as though you did more than me.

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    18:10
    28 September, 2011

    beechbark

  • Can someone just clarify for me: i completed a full year as nqt last academic year on m1, now in septembers wage slip i am still on m1...i thought as its now my 2nd year id be on m2??? is this automatically the case? ive already queried it but the office werent aware of any rules??

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    9:17
    1 October, 2011

    alicio

  • Hi,

    I was on M5 when I was made redundant and now have not worked for 3 years. I am hoping to go back to work next September after completing a return to teaching cours. Will I then be on M6 and also would I be eligible for the Upper threashold application or would I have to wait for a few years?

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    0:43
    22 October, 2011

    whyme

  • With reference to Gail's article: 'Classroom teachers start on the main pay scale, usually on point M1 although other teaching experience may push them higher up the scale.' I'm about to finish my GTP year and become a NQT. How/where can I find out if my Master's degree, previous years of teaching experience etc will enable me to start higher up the pay scale than M1? Is it entirely at the school's discretion or are there Govt guidelines about what exactly counts as relevant experience/qualifications?

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    13:38
    26 October, 2011

    ndrink16

  • Likely to be at the school's discretion. I started with a BA, MA and a year's unqualified teaching experience and was put on M1 in my 'new' school. In the school where I taught as an unqualified member of staff, however, they had me on M1 despite my lack of QTS.

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    10:50
    23 November, 2011

    johnodriscoll

  • Are management taking liberties? THIS IS INCREDIBLE!

    'Classroom teachers start on the main pay scale, usually on point M1 although other teaching experience may push them higher up the scale.'

    I started at my school on 1st January 2011. I am 28 years old and having 5 years experience as a chartered accountant with professional membership to CIMA. I was placed on M1. Fair enough I thought... at least I have a job and can pay the mortgage.

    Come September 2011 I was not moved up a scale. "You need a years experience". I was told.

    On 1st of January 2012 I will have worked at my school for a year. I have since been told I will not be moved up a pay scale in this date as this is only reviewed in September of 2012.

    My temporary contract ends at the end of Easter 2012. I will still be on M1 according to what they have told me. Where will this leave me in terms of my next job? Will I start on M1 for another Year? Can anyone advise me?

    Thank you!

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    18:31
    25 November, 2011

    latics56

  • latics56 --- when u start your next job u will make the pay rise to M2. It should be written in the pay conditions info. It used to be that you had to work 20 weeks at the previous pay scale/year to qualify for the rise the next year. I know this because every job I have taken has started after Easter and therefore I never qualified for the rises until 2 year groups later. I think this still stands as it seems logical enough. Hope that helps.

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    22:27
    11 December, 2011

    teatime23

  • Anyone know how long you need to be on MS6 before you can apply for UPS1 or is it automatic now? Also what evidence do I need to gather for this as I would like to get started on collecting this if possible? I was told it is less than it used to be. Has anyone out there been through this already?

    Thanks

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    22:31
    11 December, 2011

    teatime23

  • I’m currently on the upper pay scale, if I change schools do I have to go back to M6, or does it depend on the next school? Has any one experienced this?

    Any advice would be appreciated! :O)

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    18:19
    27 December, 2011

    sharon240375

  • Teatime23
    Have a look at this web page it will tell you what you need to know! :O)

    http://www.atl.org.uk/Images/ADV4%20Threshold%20and%20the%20upper%20pay%20scale.pdf



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    18:38
    27 December, 2011

    sharon240375

  • I am an NQT working in inner London area (band A) on M1. I am considering moving schools and one of the schools I am looking at is in Fringe area (band C). If I do move, I will actually drop almost £3000 in salary, compared to now, and will be earning over £4000 less than if I were to stay at my current school.

    Could I skip to M3 so I would be earning only £1000 less than my current job, and £2000 less than what I would earn in my current job next year.

    If I can't the move doesn't seem worth it, the drop in salary is too big, and I would be travelling further and paying more for transport.

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    21:29
    13 January, 2012

    stressedsciencetrainee

  • Are the Pay Scales before or after tax?

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    21:28
    17 January, 2012

    ELMorrow

  • In answer to the question at the top of the page;

    There are seperate pay spines for schools and FE colleges.

    The pay spine above is for schools only.

    M1 is the salary for the first year of a qualified teacher, M2 for the second year, and so on, for 6 years.

    The pay spine for FE teachers can be viewed here:

    http://www.ucu.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=2218#ql

    In answer to another question, all amounts are before tax.

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    1:11
    13 February, 2012

    tammiewhite

  • Hi
    Im looking for some advice, i am half way through my PGCE course in Science with Physics as my specialism. i have started looking around for jobs and was wondering with physics being a shortage post what my chances were of starting on MS2 instead of MS1?

    any help would be greatly appreciated.
    J

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    12:26
    22 February, 2012

    thetenthJ

  • Depends on the school, but given that redundancies and cuts are becoming ever more prevalent, I wouldn't hold my breath. Sorry to be pessimistic - we've just had our departments reshuffled and redundancies announced for the 2nd year running!

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    21:41
    23 February, 2012

    johnodriscoll

  • Shame on both counts then!! Thank you very much for the quick reply, it's good to know there are people out there willing to help those starting out in their career! J

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    19:51
    27 February, 2012

    thetenthJ

  • Please could anyone advise me. I am considering returning to teaching having left 15 years ago to bring up my children. I taught for 5 years as a classroom teacher and five years as the deputy head of an infant school. It was before the threshold was brought in so I didn't achieve that. Will I have to start again at the bottom of the pay scale, or will I be entitled to some experience points?
    Thankyou

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    13:17
    2 March, 2012

    FMM2

  • I am returning to work after a break for children, and the last post I had I was paid at M3 - in the November of that year I went on maternity and did not return. Does this year count - i.e. should I be paid at M4 in my next role or should I carry on at M3? Many thanks

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    11:17
    8 March, 2012

    Jessie Watts

  • I have over 10 years experience teaching EFL/ EAP and the odd bit of content. I am going to do a PGCE and move into R.E. I want to know what point of the scale I would likely start on once qualified. My highest annual salary to date was £26K at a university in the UK.

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    13:56
    10 March, 2012

    Adam490

  • HEY GUYS,

    DOES ANYONE KNOW WHICH THRESHOLD FORM TO FILL IN FOR FIRST UPS1 THRESHOLD APPLICATION FOR 2011-2012? IM GOING FOR MY FIRST THRESHOLD THIS YEAR.

    CHEERS

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    20:14
    10 March, 2012

    subhan03

  • i completed my PGCE in 2008 but i didnt complete my NQT until 2012.

    i did supply work from 2008.

    what pay scale should i be on?

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    9:58
    17 March, 2012

    chantellegoff

  • Really confused. Just been offered a job in an inner london school. I will complete my PGCE in June and they have asked me to start in July but it will be unqualified teacher pay.
    How much does that work out to be for the month?
    :S

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    17:19
    29 March, 2012

    kiran zhn

  • I'm on M5 at the moment and due to go on to M6 in sept, do I have to do a year on M6 or can I apply for ups straight away? xxx

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    14:36
    9 April, 2012

    suzismith

  • In response to chantellegoff. You will always begin on Mainscale 1 regardless of extra experience/supply years. I found this out a few years ago. This is because you will need to complete an induction year. So M1 is the most relevant to this.

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    14:48
    15 April, 2012

    ab2lgr

  • Hi There,

    I have been teaching for 7 years. I started in State and then the last 4 years I have worked in Private.

    I am looking to go back into state do I come in on M6?

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    9:16
    20 April, 2012

    mistyhomes

  • Hi. I am about to start my NQT year, but was wondering as I have a PhD, and two years of industry experience would I be starting on M1??

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    19:52
    23 April, 2012

    Felix81

  • Hi I am currently doing my NQT and was part time over two terms but the thrid term will be full time so will finish it by Christmas as im now in a full time job. As i will not have finished my nqt by sept but will have worked a full academic year will my salary go to M2 in september or will i have to wait until the following september when i will then have worked for 2 academic years in order to go up the scale. please help as im so confused. thanks

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    15:01
    3 May, 2012

    Rhi. Kitch

  • I'm a newly qualified Australian teacher with five years training and one year experience. Does anyone know which point on the pay scale I'll enter when I start a job in Suffolk in September? Has anyone has this experience - does my year of teaching in Australia count in the UK?

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    4:06
    5 May, 2012

    rosannacsugden

  • I am on M5 currently but have been asked to work 4 days next year. Is working out salary as simple as decucting a fifth of pay, or is there a scale somewhere to look at?

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    12:07
    7 May, 2012

    eleanormperkins

  • I am qualified teacher (BA primary education with QTS achieved in 2004) and have been working as a qualified teacher for 8 years, but have not completed my NQT induction period formally. When I qualified, I moved to SPain and have been working in a British school here, where I was told I could complete my NQT year but this wasn't so. I have now been offered a job in the Uk (Leicester - public school) and I don't know what scale I would be on. So i would have to complete my NQT year but I have 8 years of qualified teaching experience. Please help.

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    10:01
    24 May, 2012

    jennyhs00

  • Hi I have been working on supply since Sep 2011. I will not complete my NQT induction until Feb 2013. I have worked on supply all of this year which is more than 26 weeks so in Sep should my pay automatically move up to M2 or will it stay at M1 until I have finished my NQT induction?

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    9:57
    29 May, 2012

    khenerty

  • Hi I was paid M1 during my NQT year last year but on sixth form college's pay scale. This year I am also on M1 in an academy. Should I be on M2? I didnt bring it up at interview as I thought the pay freeze meant I cant move up the scale at all. Please help, thanks.

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    14:02
    29 May, 2012

    muslfc

  • Hi, I am an Overseas Qualified Teacher with 5 years experience abroad. In London I have been working as a T.A. but doing much more than that. I teach Maths on a daily basis in Reception and participate in assessments, reports, weekly planning and so on.
    I am now applying for Teaching positions.
    Am I in M1 scale?
    Are my years of experience taken into account?

    Thanks.
    I am in the process now of interviews and I would love to know more before I am surprised by some other information.

    Please help!

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    11:14
    2 June, 2012

    lemanata

  • Hi I just wanted to check something with you lovely lot.....I am currently working on main pay scale 6 and want to go through the threshold but have been told I need to work at MPS6 for 2 years-is this the case? As I'm not sure!
    I should say my school is now an academy, could this have an effect?

    Advice needed, thanks :)

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    18:38
    12 June, 2012

    Blond_e82

  • Hi. I qualified my ITT in 2010 and stayed on at my school part time (half a week- full week) doing PPA and other cover. I have moved up the payscale as a supply teacher. I was wondering, when I start in September ( I have been given a temporary full time contract at the school and this will be my official NQT year ) will I still start on M1? Thanks :-)

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    10:30
    16 June, 2012

    josieharris

  • Hi I have a question - I'm coming to the end of my GTP year in science. I have a PhD and about 8 years experience teaching another subject but not in state schools. I've been looking for jobs since January and had about 5 interviews, coming a close second every time (it appears). I've another next week... At the beginning of my job hunt I was told I could ask for M2 or even M3 but I don't know if I could do that at this point in the year; isn't it slim pickings now?! Thanks

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    15:55
    17 June, 2012

    Emily T

  • Hello,
    I am starting a Primary School Teaching Degree at MMU next year to become a Primary School Teacher.
    I was just wondering if anyone knew if there was a way around doing this degree, if there is a quicker option, and if there is a better option than this?
    Thank you!

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    13:14
    30 June, 2012

    pomfretkatie

  • wondering if someone can give me some advice. I work in the private sector in a psot 16 linked to a school. When I started I had a PGCE (FE) and was M6. There was a pay freeze which I have excepted for the last 5 years. The school
    wanted me to convert to KS 3/4, which I have successfully passed and I now start teaching across the school in September. Contract has arrived and I am now an M3. feel like I am going backwards, and am wondering if this is legal.

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    14:57
    30 June, 2012

    jules5

  • I was wondering if I could have some advice. I have been on supply now for 3 years and now I have completed my NQT I hope I stand a better chance of gaining a permnanet position. I have an interview on Tuesday and if sucessful I was wondering what pay scale point to ask for. The job I have at, at the moment is a tempoary one on M1 as I complete my NQT. However with 3 years supply behind me I was wondering should I ask to be on M4?

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    20:47
    1 July, 2012

    johndbell

  • I use to work in a college and since I have baby I decided I was going to apply with the agency for jobs in school. I worked in the college for 4 years, I have a PGCE in post 16 and I have been teaching as unqualified teacher for 4 years prior. However, I also have a joint degree in ICT and Education studies. Since my PGCE was in post 16 I decided to do the QTLS of which I am now qualified to teach in school. I got a temporary post in the school to cover someone who is off; for 3 days per week which is a part time contract, they sent me the contract that I will be paid unqualified teacher Point 5. Do you think that is correct? As I really do not understand it much, but I just dont want to ask them the questions and it affect me in any ways. Can you advise me please. Thanks.

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    19:19
    2 July, 2012

    maxine73

  • I have been Head of department for 1 year and have also completed 2 terms as head of department previously due to maternity leave. I have 6 full years teaching experience however only 1 year as a 'qualified' teacher. I was working for 5 years as an unqualified teacher. Which pay scale and at what level should I expect to receive? I am currently MPS + TLR. Many thanks

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    9:20
    13 July, 2012

    younan melko

  • Hi, I have just got a new job. In my last job I was post-threshold and was being paid on the upper payscale. I presume that I will be paid M6 in my new school (I have no extra responsibilities as I did in my old job) and that I will have to reapply to be post-threshold when I have worked there for a while. Is being post-threshold particular to the job that you are in or does it follow you from one job to the next automatically?
    Thanks.

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    15:05
    13 July, 2012

    katiecrunch1

  • I am just wondering so I thought I would ask this question. I am moving to the UK (Hayes/Uxbridge area) spring/summer of 2013. I will have a masters degree in English and a TESOL cert (first thing I do when I get to UK is enroll in PCGE program), would I start at the 1 level or having a Masters degree will I start a little higher?
    Thanks

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    19:16
    23 July, 2012

    amajamus

  • amajamus,

    Expect to be on M1 starting salary. Most schools will only pay M1 for NQT's regardless of prior experience in the current climate, unless circumstances are truly exceptional.

    It's not worth risking pricing yourself out the market by asking for more.

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    22:21
    15 August, 2012

    TomAWood

  • amajamus

    I have an MA and three years experience as an unqualified teacher, it made no difference to my pay, I started on M1. However, I do think it varies from school to school so it may be worth asking.

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    16:59
    9 September, 2012

    Lisa1809

  • Hi, I have a BSc in Computing, PTLLS (Preparing to Teach in the Life Long Learning Sector) and studied PGCE although did not quite completed. In terms of experience I have three years of permanent part-time teaching and three months of full time supply teaching.

    I am now starting some supply teaching again and although I was paid £25 an hour previously this time the agency want to paid me £15 an hour. Is this fair pay for someone with my qualifications and experience.

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    18:53
    13 September, 2012

    abdirahim

  • I started work at my school in jan 2011 and was paid long term supply rates but completed 2 terms of my NQT year. i then started a full contract in sept 2011 with 1 term of my nqt year left to do and was paid M1. my nqt year officially finished in jan 2012 but i stayed on m1, should this have gone up to M2 in jan 2012 after finishing my nqt year even though i was not paid m1 for the 1st 2 terms?

    When i was put onto M1 with 1 term of my nqt year left to go i was also put onto full timetable, not that of an nqt.

    any help would be much appreciated

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    19:50
    20 September, 2012

    Luke Walker

  • Hi all
    You only move up the pay scale when you have worked 26 weeks of the previous academic year. The increase only happens on 1st September each year and not at other times. It should happen automatically however on ocassion when moving schools to a different council you may need to provide evidence of employment history to your current council.
    Having completed your NQT doesnt really come in to it, it is generally based on weeks of service. It is important that those with queries speak to their union reps (its what we pay them for after all).
    Also do not expect to start on a higher pay grade if you haven't got paid qualified teaching time just because you have a masters or other relevant experience as many schools just cant afford to give you more than you are actually entitled to.
    I would be glad to be paid M1 as an NQT on a permanent contract - I am now on M2 having done maternity covers and am on another maternity cover which should take me to M3 next year. However it is unlikely I will get a permanent job next year as most jobs will go to NQT's as they are cheaper. It seems 2 years experience is not a big difference to schools but a couple of grand in pay is.

    I hope this was helpful and I urge anyone with questions regarding pay scales to speak to their union - they filled me in very well.

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    14:30
    24 September, 2012

    kirstyhuff

  • I became a fully qualified teacher in 2009 and worked for a year in Scotland then moved down south where I have worked steadily ever since. A year and a half in Essex and since then in east London (six months) Islington (six weeks) and now in Leyton where I am going to enter into a perm contract. I cannot for the life of me work out what pay scale I should be! Can anyone help?!

    C

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    16:11
    26 September, 2012

    cracka

  • I'm due to finish my NQT year in December, does my pay then go up straightaway.

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    20:26
    7 October, 2012

    teacherW1983

  • Your pay go up every September only.

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    1:52
    14 October, 2012

    emadoslo

  • Just got on MP 6 can I apply for threshold or do I have to wait until I have been on MP6 for a year.

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    18:36
    22 October, 2012

    lynnehoyle

  • What If you have been working in a private school which pays staff a wage which is just under the main teaching pay scale. If I move to state school, would I be paid on the next pay scale up?

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    18:21
    2 December, 2012

    zm2010

  • I taught on M1 i Scotland for a full year. I moved back to NI and have been subbing from Sept 2012 - Feb 2012 full time at one school. I noticed that despite moving up the payscale to M2 I am being paid at M1. Can anyone enlighten me as to why this would be? Thanks!

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    13:54
    5 March, 2013

    Ruth Christie

  • Hoping someone can help...

    I'm a qualified teacher
    Taught in uk 4 years
    1 year abroad

    Where does this put me on pay scale?

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    8:02
    11 March, 2013

    rabya

  • I would like to relocate to the UK, am a USA-trained teacher with a bachelors, masters, and doctorate in my field and 18 years of K-12 public school teaching and 6 years in higher education. Could someone tell me where I would fall on the pay scale??

    Thank you in advance.

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    17:28
    17 March, 2013

    houstondma2013

  • Can any one tell me what the TMS range means? (regarding salary)

    Thank you

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    13:07
    14 April, 2013

    Tabbatha

  • Can anyone help? I finish my NQT year in July - I've already been given a perminate contract and asked to be KS1 math coordinator - what will my pay be? Will it be m2 plus a TLR?

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    21:15
    21 April, 2013

    zoeylong

  • Zoeylong, unless they have told you otherwise i would say you will be on M1 with extra pay for maths co-ordinator.

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    20:49
    29 April, 2013

    jennywhitelam

  • I am studying a BSc with QTS and this has placements on it so I skip NQT and go straight to QTS - will I then start out on M1 or go straight to M2?

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    20:50
    6 May, 2013

    kpmarshall

  • Holy smokes, this page is daunting: reams of questions, very few answers. Looks like TES need to design clear threads to make and follow responses?

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    21:44
    23 May, 2013

    kh29

  • I have a tlr 2.7 attached to my new position...what would this be? Thank you

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    15:02
    27 May, 2013

    hmclean

  • There are no firm answers to any pay scale questions because the pay scale is a guideline only. Your salary depends on your negotiating skills and how valuable you are, or can convince your school you are.

    Obviously evidence helps enormously. A fistful of outstanding observations and references from previous tutors, teachers or employers will make your bargaining position far stronger. However if you haven't been bothered previously to apply for UPS you will be unlikely to be given UPS3 with no supporting evidence or proof that you can meet the professional standards required.

    MathsBR and kwanjara are correct, it is possible for an NQT to start anywhere on the scale, and to progress at two points per year. I have even previously negotiated pay at 0.95 of a higher point in order to take the higher point to my next school. I have also been offered UPS before crossing threshold by a disorganised senior leadership team.

    Anything is possible if you have confidence and don't believe the hyperbole, however the time to do this is when you are accepting the position, not months after your salary has been agreed, for obvious reasons.

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    12:06
    12 June, 2013

    pugwashedcelica

  • No you can't skip NQT year. This means Newly Qualified Teacher and grants you additional PPA and CPD time as well as time for NQT training and access to a learning mentor to check that your practice is cohesive. QTS just means Qualified Teacher Status which you must have to be a qualified teacher.

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    20:31
    18 June, 2013

    Della1986

  • Having experience in another country as Qualified Teacher does it count on the pay scale?

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    11:27
    23 June, 2013

    Christina_1789

  • Hi, I am due to start as an NQT in September as M1. Do I automatically move up the pay scale each academic year? So September 2014, would I be on M2? Do I have to show evidence that I deserve to be moved up the pay scale or is it automatic? Thank you!

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    18:51
    23 June, 2013

    Charlotte Cummins

  • Hi, I am currently on M3, but with the changes to teacher's pay planned for the next few years, will I still move point by point through to M6 automatically as I have done the past few years? The new plans seem to be quite complex!

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    16:15
    26 June, 2013

    andyatm

  • Payscales are only there for reference now. Your pay will be dependent on your performance and will be done by the head teacher so you can start on m1 and end up on m6 in a year but is unlikely

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    2:39
    3 July, 2013

    Alitheman99

  • I've been told by the head of my school that I would be progressing from M2 to M4 next year after a very successful year. However, the finance department have told me that this is in breech of the teachers terms & conditions. Is this correct?
    I have been offered a retention payment for next year but I'm worried that this will conveniently disappear next year - I'd rather be on M4 and not have to worry about it.
    Can someone tell me if moving up 2 points on the main scale is in breech of the teachers terms & conditions. Thanks :)

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    10:22
    23 July, 2013

    ChemPixie

  • Hi,
    I completed my NQT year in July 2012 paid at scale point 1. I then completed 1 further year of teaching as a supply teacher. I am now looking for a permanent job. When I get a permanent job will I be on scale point 3? Do you still move up the point scales even if you are working on supply?

    (Sept 2011 - July 2012: NQT year - Scale point 1)
    (Sept 2012 - July 2013: on supply - Scale point 2)

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Many thanks.

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    15:21
    3 September, 2013

    katie1988

  • My husband has a degree in Business and Engineering and is thinking about training to become a Maths teacher. Are there any free training + bursary or evening training so that he can stay on his job until the training is completed? Otherwise we can't afford as we have a baby.

    Also he earns around 30k per year. After training, would he earn at least 27k? Scale 4 - M4 band? We are in Bournemouth, Dorset. Thanks

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    0:14
    7 October, 2013

    AndreaSelby81

  • hi, i have a degree in Speech and Language Therapy and a degree in Audiology. In addition to that I have a teachers' degree and teaching experience of 4 years. All degrees and experience I obtained in Belgium.
    I'm looking into teaching jobs in London and was wondering what pay scale I can expect to start with?

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    19:00
    28 November, 2013

    malkiabrams

  • Are the pay scales the same for primary and secondary?

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    1:59
    1 March, 2014

    woolly56

  • I was on m6 with a TLR 2a in 2011, just about to apply for threshold. I then got cancer and left the job, taking a year to recover. I spent late 2012/13 doing supply, with the agency recognising my experience with higher pay after 13 weeks in any long term jobs I did. I just got appointed at an academy last month and they have put me on m5. Is this fair? Can I dispute it, and if so, how?

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    22:19
    1 March, 2014

    Strangeo

  • New teachers can earn around £16,000 for training on the governments new School Direct Salaried training option. All other routes, undergraduate or postgraduate, do not pay anything and they require you to pay fees - but you can get a grant or bursary to help cover the costs.

    It is such a shame that every reform seems to be aimed at stitching teachers up and there never seems to be a new initiative that will actually benefit us. However at least there are criteria that, if we meet, we should go up a pay grade automatically. At least there seems to be a way that you can progress regularly still (looking on the Brightside) as long as you make sure that you are fulfilling the pay point responsibilities for the school you work in.

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  • Hi, appreciate any advice.

    8 years ago I worked at an inner London pupil referral unit for 3 years teaching Citizenship and PSHE to 11-16 year olds as an unqualified teacher.
    I am currently taking a Citizenship PGCE,and the school where I am taking my SE B have asked me to apply for a vacancy. They are impressed with the work I am doing, and I believe this is in no small part due to my previous experience.
    The school is an outer London school and has offered outer London M pay scale to successful applicants.

    Regarding my starting salary as an NQT, how much negotiating power does my previous experience give me?

    Many thanks.

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    17:27
    19 March, 2014

    Tonysap

  • Hi all,

    Does anyone know what salary I would start on as a transfer after 7 years in FE with a post complsory PGCE in innner London to a school sixth form? The job ofers MPS +TLR 2b (£4,270 have no understanding at all of the Teachers' Salary Scale and I am about to go onto the final year of my own scale in FE,

    Thanks in advance for any kindy volunteered illumination (possibly I should contact the school HR dept?)

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    18:03
    21 March, 2014

    Arkady

  • Hi - have looked for the answer to this before I came here, but to no avail... I have taught sporadically since 2004 - was 2 weeks shy ( started on a temporary contract when a staff member was ill) of 3 years , I have since done 4 terms of supply ( 2 terms at the same school) which is the same I have also taught on a contract for 2 terms) I have now been remployed by this same school and wondering what scale I should be on? I have taught on contract for 3 years and 2 terms. Does this mean I will be on MS4 until September ( 1 term )and then go up to MS5 or will I go on MS5 now as been at the school 2 terms on supply? I also have recently completed a PGDiploma.
    Hope that waffle makes sense? Anyhelp would be great.

    Many thanks

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    20:27
    1 April, 2014

    arpresu8

  • If per example i have master´s degree can i have in my first year contracts above M1 pay scale in a school??

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    22:59
    18 May, 2014

    alfredo silva

  • I finished my NQT year in May, as I started it in May last year (a year after graduating). Despite this, I am still being paid as an NQT. Am I entitled to be paid more? If so, how can I prove this? As I have been told my pay will only go up in September.

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    8:12
    8 July, 2014

    efullwood

  • I qualified overseas in 2008 and I was excempt from my NQT year as I did it overseas. I then worked for 3 years as a Nursery Nurse, and then Teacher for the last 3 years. What point should I be on? Could I ask point 5?

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    10:19
    13 July, 2014

    lacris

  • Hi

    I really need some advice!

    I have been teaching at the same school for 8 years and have been on a permanent full time contract. However, I arrived off my holiday today to find a temporary teacher contract until 31st August 2015! I had no idea my contract was changing or my job as I have been given my class for next year as well as literacy lead. Also, what's panicking me more is I am pregnant due to go on Mat leave in Nov.

    What should do? Is this normal? Do I contact my LA? Sorry for all the questions but I am alittle bit worried about what's going on.

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    15:05
    23 August, 2014

    Becci84

  • Hi,
    I have 9 years of experience as a government permanent Mathematics teacher in university entrances classes and secondary grades. I am interested in teaching in UK.I have BSc degree with second class(upper division). And i have postgraduate diploma in education with merit.I have completed Master in Science ( sp. Mathematics Education).
    Can i work as a teacher in uk? What should i do?

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    13:20
    27 August, 2014

    sumuduabeysinghe

  • I am a teaching who has four year supply behind me. Now I am starting a new contract for maternity and am wondering what payscale I will start on? Will my supply year count towards this?

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    12:20
    27 September, 2014

    emmajones1988

  • Hi,
    I completed my NQT year from 2011-2012 then continued to work at the same school from September 2012 until January 2013. As my contract had ended I then went travelling to Australia for 10 months and started my current job in February 2014 (so I essentially completed a year of teaching but with a year in between!). My performance management is coming up, does anyone know if I am eligible for M2? Or do I need to wait until next September?
    Thanks

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    17:22
    28 September, 2014

    elaine89

  • Hi all,

    I am a 3rd year primary teacher who has discovered they are staying on M2 despite being Literacy/English coordinator and effectively leading a team. Is this fair? Has anyone else had a similar experience?

    Thanks

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    18:31
    17 October, 2014

    TommyP88

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